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		<title>Tony: &quot;termsy&quot; to &quot;terms&quot; / &quot;suffer&quot; to &quot;suffers&quot; due to context</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&amp;quot;termsy&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;terms&amp;quot; / &amp;quot;suffer&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;suffers&amp;quot; due to context&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 18:05, 26 November 2024&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{centre|Dear friend!}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{centre|Dear friend!}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;ve received [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s works, looked through them and begun the editing, which turned out to be quite painstaking and tedious, in general because the majority of [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s creations are commonplace trifles. Why do you need to publish his complete collection? Allow me to recommend that you abandon this plan&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, &lt;/del&gt;and instead adopt the following: &amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;to publish a collection of selected works by [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;quot;. This will be far better for your pocket, and wiser in every respect. Don&amp;#039;t forget that a good 7/10, or at least 3/5, of the whole collection will comprise &amp;#039;&amp;#039;concertos&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, i.e. the dullest set of commonplaces and vulgarities, performed never and nowhere in churches, or exceptionally once a year they might make it into the programme of some spiritual concert. So far as I&amp;#039;m aware, the number of [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s works actually in demand and that are sung all over the place comprise a very small number. Supposing you were to publish these, along with, let&amp;#039;s say, 2 or 3 of the best concertos, and then you will produce something that is actually needed, and I guarantee you that my editorship will wring out everything from [[Bortnyansky]] that is suitable, and discard everything that is unsuitable and has no future whatsoever. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;A complete collection&amp;#039;&amp;#039;? These are very bold words, but in the present instance they sound strange, because they refer to a person with little talent and who wrote a whole heap of all sorts of rubbish, amongst which a dozen decent things sparkle like oases in the desert. I&amp;#039;ve even begun to waver over whether to lend my name to an edition that I cannot sympathise with. I&amp;#039;m now writing spiritual music which is an attempt (let&amp;#039;s say a very modest one) to counter the notorious established styles of [[Bortnyansky]] and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;tutti quanti&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, while now at the same time suddenly beseeching the public with a proposition that contains everything that I&amp;#039;m repudiating in my own works. Perhaps we could view this in more simple &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;termsy&lt;/del&gt;, i.e. I am a musician earning a living by my own efforts, and consequently there is nothing reprehensible in the fact that, for subsistence&amp;#039;s sake, I am editing every abomination which my publisher decides to publish — but my pride still &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;suffer &lt;/del&gt;from all this.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I&amp;#039;ve received [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s works, looked through them and begun the editing, which turned out to be quite painstaking and tedious, in general because the majority of [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s creations are commonplace trifles. Why do you need to publish his complete collection? Allow me to recommend that you abandon this plan and instead adopt the following: &amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;to publish a collection of selected works by [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;quot;. This will be far better for your pocket, and wiser in every respect. Don&amp;#039;t forget that a good 7/10, or at least 3/5, of the whole collection will comprise &amp;#039;&amp;#039;concertos&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, i.e. the dullest set of commonplaces and vulgarities, performed never and nowhere in churches, or exceptionally once a year they might make it into the programme of some spiritual concert. So far as I&amp;#039;m aware, the number of [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s works actually in demand and that are sung all over the place comprise a very small number. Supposing you were to publish these, along with, let&amp;#039;s say, 2 or 3 of the best concertos, and then you will produce something that is actually needed, and I guarantee you that my editorship will wring out everything from [[Bortnyansky]] that is suitable, and discard everything that is unsuitable and has no future whatsoever. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;A complete collection&amp;#039;&amp;#039;? These are very bold words, but in the present instance they sound strange, because they refer to a person with little talent and who wrote a whole heap of all sorts of rubbish, amongst which a dozen decent things sparkle like oases in the desert. I&amp;#039;ve even begun to waver over whether to lend my name to an edition that I cannot sympathise with. I&amp;#039;m now writing spiritual music&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;, &lt;/ins&gt;which is an attempt (let&amp;#039;s say a very modest one) to counter the notorious established styles of [[Bortnyansky]] and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;tutti quanti&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, while now at the same time suddenly beseeching the public with a proposition that contains everything that I&amp;#039;m repudiating in my own works. Perhaps we could view this in more simple &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;terms&lt;/ins&gt;, i.e. I am a musician earning a living by my own efforts, and consequently there is nothing reprehensible in the fact that, for subsistence&amp;#039;s sake, I am editing every abomination which my publisher decides to publish — but my pride still &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;suffers &lt;/ins&gt;from all this.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Think it over and write the answer!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Think it over and write the answer!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Tony</name></author>
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		<title>Brett: 1 revision imported</title>
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		<updated>2022-07-12T12:20:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;1 revision imported&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Brett</name></author>
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		<title>Brett at 11:25, 14 February 2021</title>
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|Date=21 June/3 July 1881&lt;br /&gt;
|To=[[Pyotr Jurgenson]]&lt;br /&gt;
|Place=[[Kamenka]]&lt;br /&gt;
|Language=Russian&lt;br /&gt;
|Autograph=[[Klin]] (Russia): {{RUS-KLč}} (a{{sup|3}}, No. 2340)&lt;br /&gt;
|Publication={{bib|1901/24|Жизнь Петра Ильича Чайковского ; том 2}} (1901), p. 474–475 (abridged)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;{{bib|1938/40|П. И. Чайковский. Переписка с П. И. Юргенсоном ; том 1}} (1938), p. 196–197&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;{{bib|1966/44|П. И. Чайковский. Полное собрание сочинений ; том X}} (1966), p. 149–150&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Text and Translation==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Lettertext&lt;br /&gt;
|Language=Russian&lt;br /&gt;
|Translator=Brett Langston&lt;br /&gt;
|Original text={{right|&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Каменка&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;21 июня}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{centre|Милый друг!}}&lt;br /&gt;
Я получил сочин[ения] Бортнянского, просмотрел их и начал редактирование, которое оказалось работой довольно кропотливой и скучной главнейшим образом потому, что большая часть творений Бортнянского суть весьма пошлая пустяковина. К чему нужно тебе издавать его полное собрание? Позволь тебе посоветовать отбросить этот план и вместо него принять следующий: «&amp;#039;&amp;#039;издать сборник избранных соч[инений] Бортн[янского]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;». Это будет гораздо лучше для твоего кармана и во всех отношениях умнее. Не забудь, что добрые 7/10 или, по крайней мере, 3/5 полного собрания составят &amp;#039;&amp;#039;концерты&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, т. е. самый плоский набор общих мест и пошлостей, никогда и нигде в церквах не исполняемых и лишь раз в год попадающих в виде исключения на программу какого-нибудь духовного концерта. Те из соч[инений] Бортнянского, в которых действительно есть потребность и которые везде поются, составляют очень небольшое число пиэс наперечёт мне известных. Положим, что ты издашь их, а также, положим, 2–3 самых лучших концерта, и тогда получится вещь действительно нужная, и я ручаюсь тебе за то, что моя редакция выжмет из Бортнянского все годное и отбросит все негодное и не имеющее никакой будущности. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Полное собрание&amp;#039;&amp;#039;? Это очень громкое слово, но оно в настоящем случае звучит странно, ибо относится к человеку с маленьким талантом и написавшему ворох всякой дряни, среди которой, как оазисы в пустыне, мелькает десяток порядочных вещей. Я даже стал колебаться: давать ли мне своё имя для такого издания, которому не могу сочувствовать. Я пишу теперь духовно-музыкальное сочинение, которое есть попытка (положим, очень скромная) бороться с установленным Бортнянским и &amp;#039;&amp;#039;tutti quanti&amp;#039;&amp;#039; дурным стилем, и вдруг в то же время лезу к публике с предложением всего того, что собственным сочинением отрицаю. Положим, что на это можно смотреть проще, т. е. я музыкант, живущий своими трудами, и, следовательно, нет ничего предосудительного в том, что ради до бытия средств к жизни редактирую всякую гадость, которую мой издатель вздумает издать, — но моя гордость всё-таки от этого страдает.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Подумай и напиши ответ!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Я послал Соф[ье] Ив[ановне] 500 р[ублей]. Рыдая, простился я с этими пятью Катьками.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Потрудись разрешить мне один денежный вопрос: все ли, что получено тобой и Ос[ипом] Ив[ановичем] за обе мои оперы, отдано Третьякову или часть осталась у тебя в счёт моего долга? Я очень бы хотел привести в ясность свои дела. Обидно, что, получая так много, я вечно сижу без денег и вечно парализована моя свобода. Хороша свобода! О многом ещё хотел тебе сказать, да боюсь, что письмо не дойдёт. Я вообще почему-то Poste restante не доверяю.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Обнимаю тебя. Нат[алье] Ник[олаевне] кланяйся.&lt;br /&gt;
{{right|Твой П . Чайковский}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
|Translated text={{right|&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[Kamenka]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;21 June}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{centre|Dear friend!}}&lt;br /&gt;
I&amp;#039;ve received [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s works, looked through them and begun the editing, which turned out to be quite painstaking and tedious, in general because the majority of [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s creations are commonplace trifles. Why do you need to publish his complete collection? Allow me to recommend that you abandon this plan, and instead adopt the following: &amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;to publish a collection of selected works by [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;quot;. This will be far better for your pocket, and wiser in every respect. Don&amp;#039;t forget that a good 7/10, or at least 3/5, of the whole collection will comprise &amp;#039;&amp;#039;concertos&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, i.e. the dullest set of commonplaces and vulgarities, performed never and nowhere in churches, or exceptionally once a year they might make it into the programme of some spiritual concert. So far as I&amp;#039;m aware, the number of [[Bortnyansky]]&amp;#039;s works actually in demand and that are sung all over the place comprise a very small number. Supposing you were to publish these, along with, let&amp;#039;s say, 2 or 3 of the best concertos, and then you will produce something that is actually needed, and I guarantee you that my editorship will wring out everything from [[Bortnyansky]] that is suitable, and discard everything that is unsuitable and has no future whatsoever. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;A complete collection&amp;#039;&amp;#039;? These are very bold words, but in the present instance they sound strange, because they refer to a person with little talent and who wrote a whole heap of all sorts of rubbish, amongst which a dozen decent things sparkle like oases in the desert. I&amp;#039;ve even begun to waver over whether to lend my name to an edition that I cannot sympathise with. I&amp;#039;m now writing spiritual music which is an attempt (let&amp;#039;s say a very modest one) to counter the notorious established styles of [[Bortnyansky]] and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;tutti quanti&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, while now at the same time suddenly beseeching the public with a proposition that contains everything that I&amp;#039;m repudiating in my own works. Perhaps we could view this in more simple termsy, i.e. I am a musician earning a living by my own efforts, and consequently there is nothing reprehensible in the fact that, for subsistence&amp;#039;s sake, I am editing every abomination which my publisher decides to publish — but my pride still suffer from all this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Think it over and write the answer!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&amp;#039;ve sent [[Sofya Ivanovna]] the 500 rubles. I wept as I bade farewell to these five Katkas. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Kindly resolve one financial question for me: has everything that you and [[Osip Ivanovich]] received for both my operas been given to [[Pavel Tretyakov|Tretyakov]], or did you keep some of it on account of my debt? I should very much like to clarify my affairs. It&amp;#039;s exasperating that, although in receipt of so much, I always find myself stuck without money, and my freedom is perpetually paralysed. Freedom is good! I have a lot more to tell you, but I&amp;#039;m worried the letter won&amp;#039;t reach you. For some reason I have a general mistrust of Poste restante. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I embrace you. Regards to Natalya Nikolayevna.&lt;br /&gt;
{{right|Yours P. Tchaikovsky}}&lt;br /&gt;
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